Roundtable Meeting 2017 01

 Happy New 2017

Another year in the long history of Tiki and it's marvellous community has started.

Next to come are the FOSDEM in Brussels and Tiki 17. Happy new year and best wishes to everybody.

Volunteering Facilitator: Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist

When 19 January 2017

Fixed by vote for 14h00 UTC.


19 Jan 2017 11:00 GMT-0000
19 Jan 2017 12:00 GMT-0000
19 Jan 2017 13:00 GMT-0000
19 Jan 2017 14:00 GMT-0000
19 Jan 2017 15:00 GMT-0000
19 Jan 2017 16:00 GMT-0000
19 Jan 2017 17:00 GMT-0000


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1st hour quick news

15mn for each topic else it should be moved to the second hour or another meeting

  1. TikiFest2017-Brussels-Fosdem plans
  2. Ideas for Tiki17
  3. Demo’ing mindepth and mindepthsortalpha; https://doc.tiki.org/TOC
  4. Help needed to (free)tag in profiles.tiki.org all profiles in the profiles Wizard with the features that they show case/demonstrate, etc. done
    • In a second phase, the idea is to get some search box in the Profiles Wizard (and the Profiles Control Panel) to filter profiles by features, allowing to answer questions like: "which profiles will let me practice and tweak custom search/plugin list/plugin list execute/tablesorter/item link tracker field/structures/revision approval/plugin pivottable
  5. Demo'ing Plugin ListExecute email (file and link)
  6. Demo of Meta wiki-plugin by luci (for Tiki 17, should be backported to 16 or not?)
  7. Conclusions from the recent Tiki Admin Meeting
  8. Tiki Community Bug Tracker Items review https://dev.tiki.org/Community+items and attempt to fix or assign volunteers.


Second hour, longer topics

  1. Discussion about The Tiki Community Items (issues and wishes affecting the Community as a whole and *.t.o sites). See
  2. Discussion about the Bounty proposal
  3. Improving Documentation
    1. https://doc.tiki.org/Tiki16#Field_Location: thumbnail zoom on images is terrible
        • please remove zoombox for something else better in your opinion (remember we are a wiki-wiki community) ;-)
        • The issue here is not my opinion, the image is not useable like this for a visitor. It also give a not very serious image of our community.
      • https://doc.tiki.org/PluginShorten, visitor can’t see sample and parameters (it will once doc.t.o has the minimum version required for the plugin - Tiki17)
      • And in the meantime we show again something that is everything but serious for people visiting the page that are not "us".
    2. Better organizing some of the documentation (Tiki feature that make THE difference)
    • Plugin List, Plugin ListExecute
    • Custom Search, Search and Unified-index
    • Trackers
    • Please add...
  4. Conclusions from/for the "Datavis convergence" topic in the list?
    • Dev.t.o page | Discussion Threads: 1 | 2 | 3
    • Shouldn't we convert the nice work done with D3 into some plugin already (wikiplugin_d3.php? bazaar-like approach), regardless of the chosen best approach for the visualization library (cathedral-like approach)?



Next Meeting: Roundtable Meeting 2017 02

Chat log

Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Hmm, I keep getting "Connectivity problems" errors and getting logged out.
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): hi Gary - shame, seems ok for me
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Some network problem apparently.
Jun Moriya (Jun Moriya): Im ok. at 1st time vidoe on and now off
Jun Moriya (Jun Moriya): and my mic is off now. cause Im not good english .. ya ya ya
luciash d' being (luci): 2017 :)
luciash d' being (luci): https://tiki.org/TikiFestFosdem2017
luciash d' being (luci): gezza said he have just few left
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): +1 for magnets
luciash d' being (luci): has
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): https://tiki.org/Promo+Sheet
luciash d' being (luci): that is about 15mins, next topic?
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): :)
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): I missed the last 5 minutes or so of the meeting; needed to restart. I keep getting disconnected but will keep trying to stay in. :-)
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): isn't this all on the endagered features page on dev?
luciash d' being (luci): i suppose so
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): https://dev.tiki.org/Endangered%20features
drsassafras: hi guys, sorry im late
luciash d' being (luci): hi Brendan!
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): https://dev.tiki.org/Endangered+features
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): back
Philippe Cloutier (Chealer9): hi everyone
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Hi Chealer
luciash d' being (luci): https://developers.facebook.com/tools/debug/
luciash d' being (luci): https://doc.tiki.org/PluginMeta
luciash d' being (luci): https://dev.tiki.org/PluginMeta
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): PluginHTMLHead ?
luciash d' being (luci): HeadTags?
Philippe Cloutier (Chealer9): HTMLMeta, HTMLMetaTags longer
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): Hi Chealer :)
Philippe Cloutier (Chealer9): hello Jonny
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): HTMLHead for the body one, Meta for the short one
luciash d' being (luci): I recommend playing with the FB debugger when developing this
luciash d' being (luci): https://developers.facebook.com/tools/debug/
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): Sorry Xavi
Philippe Cloutier (Chealer9): I consider "META" pretty vague, a second word would really help.
Xavier de Pedro (xavi): np, Bernard, I just uploaded a screenshot for a next topic of this trm
luciash d' being (luci): it needs some tidying ;)
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): I agree. PluginMetatag would be clear.
Xavier de Pedro (xavi): sorry for the noise, if any
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): all good :)
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Like Jean-Marc said, "plugin meta" seems to imply something about plugins.
luciash d' being (luci): thanks all for your input! :)
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): nice plugin, I like it
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): that's what I was thinking of, but again it deserve a deeper reflexion. :)
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): and discussion
luciash d' being (luci): everyone please if you want participate on developing this add your notes on https://dev.tiki.org/PluginMeta
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): hello friends
luciash d' being (luci): hi Torsten!
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): Hello Torsten !
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): just did read the meeting invites everybody
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): You know my troubles with profiles :D
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): not exactly, only that there are some
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): Hi Torsten! I'd like to talk to you later
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): I'll be glad to learn :)
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Just for BBB feedback, I'm not seeing any screensharing now. Will check the recording later.
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Jean-Marc, ok
luciash d' being (luci): no screensharing is going on now I think
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): no screensharing here either
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): or a special meeting :)
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): I've had three screensharing windows that displayed empty, ghosting the BBB page underneath.
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): I seem to have a firewall problem here, so will try to correct before the next meeting.
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Profiles: Is it somehow possible to connect to a profiles repo that is password protected?
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): Hi Torsten
luciash d' being (luci): Torsten: nope
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): planned?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Hi Jonny
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): +1
luciash d' being (luci): freetags as keywords you mean?
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Another thing: I have read about a problem with Tiki and php7I just installed a Tiki 16 via svn and did nt get it running - loading never ended and a javascript error message.
Xavier de Pedro (xavi): https://profiles.tiki.org/tiki-browse_freetags.php?tag=articles
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): could only start to use it after going back to php 5.6
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): for unified search you need to add freetags_text in the default content and weighting fields
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): yes
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Bernard: yes what?
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): I'm with Xavi right now ;)
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): (so yes I can see your screen)
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): ah sry Bernard
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): Find Profiles Search by name, types and repositoryProfile name
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): and tags then ?
luciash d' being (luci): it depends what does the profiles panel use for searching
luciash d' being (luci): i doubt it uses unified index
luciash d' being (luci): i think it searches on the remote site somehow
luciash d' being (luci): (the remote profiles ropository)
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): brb
luciash d' being (luci): i think the search form just basically scans this text file: https://profiles.tiki.org/profiles
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): back
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): lovely
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): ( Temporarily turned off my firewall here and now I see the screenshots again.)
luciash d' being (luci): on the Tiki Community Association account to be clear
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Xavi: your sound is much much better now -> please remind what you did ;-)
Xavier de Pedro (xavi): https://dev.tiki.org/Community+items#Summary
Xavier de Pedro (xavi): https://dev.tiki.org/Community+items#List
Xavier de Pedro (xavi): https://dev.tiki.org/item6233 - "forums in t.o unusable: help!"
luciash d' being (luci): ( TSCA I meant, ref.: https://tiki.org/Tiki%20Software%20Community%20Association )
Philippe Cloutier (Chealer9): bounties are a great idea but we need a good amount of money to compensate the overhead of setting up a bounty system, deciding bounties and making the payments.
luciash d' being (luci): +1 to skip
Philippe Cloutier (Chealer9): OK skip
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): https://dev.tiki.org/Tiki16
luciash d' being (luci): bug report exists for that?
luciash d' being (luci): question is how many ppl are really checking next sites
luciash d' being (luci): i have checked it last month just once I think
Philippe Cloutier (Chealer9): Gary: I suppose you mean mod_security
Philippe Cloutier (Chealer9): on community (tiki.org)
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): I'm trying to get people checking at next site when we are entering in releasing.
luciash d' being (luci): I can post in forums just fine
luciash d' being (luci): or I mean reply, you mean it is not possible to create new threads?
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): I see that too !
Philippe Cloutier (Chealer9): except for mod_security I do not see why our servers would have much more issues than others.
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Yes, Philippe, that sounds right.
luciash d' being (luci): oops, sorry xavi, i accidentaly clicked presenter screen instead of mute myself :-p
Xavier de Pedro (xavi): np
luciash d' being (luci): category jail?
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): I've never really figured out how category jail works.
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): Or else had problems with it somehow.
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): category jail by default jails search results, not content
luciash d' being (luci): i think it is just basically, "if the object is in the category defined for perspective, switch to that perspective"
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): nope.
luciash d' being (luci): ah, ok
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): cat jail is only search results
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): I vote a 1h meeting, I can coordinate and organise
Gary Cunningham-Lee (chibaguy): I think the original purpose of category jail was broader than that, though.
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): but there is some kind of "if the object is in the category defined for perspective, switch to that perspective" functionality which seems to use the category jail categories (cats which are put into the jail)
luciash d' being (luci): :D
luciash d' being (luci): I just used it to display the images difference for the CODE plugin and then someone just copied it for all the rest of the iages! :D
luciash d' being (luci): images
luciash d' being (luci): to zoom in to see the difference in the font
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): (bounty for doc page ?) :D
Xavier de Pedro (xavi): +1 luci
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): pageS
Jean-Marc Libs (Jyhem): +1 Luci (a note in the page)
Philippe Cloutier (Chealer9): stub warnings can be useful.
luciash d' being (luci): i think we can improve the existing wiki-page templates to add that by default
luciash d' being (luci): content templates I mean
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): +1
Philippe Cloutier (Chealer9): not a bad idea for doc.tiki.org Luci
Geoff Brickell (eromneg): just to remind everyone that we already have pluginmanager that 'automates' most of the documentation of parameters etc for plugin
luciash d' being (luci): yes, but that pluginmanager displays error, when the plugin is not in the version running on doc.tiki.otg yet
Xavier de Pedro (xavi): sure, Geoff , thks for the reminder :-)
luciash d' being (luci): it is in the content template already btw
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): yes but if the pluginh work for Tiki17 and doc is Tiki 16 you see an error (bad)
Geoff Brickell (eromneg): so plugunmanager needs some error handling?
luciash d' being (luci): nope, it just works but displays error the plugin is missing
luciash d' being (luci): so it is already handling well ;)
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): we can have the plugin manager showing "it will work in the next Tiki version" rather than the error one
luciash d' being (luci): maybe a param for that would make sense
luciash d' being (luci): for the wikiplugin
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): Good idea !
luciash d' being (luci): {pluginmanager name=meta nextversion=17} ?
luciash d' being (luci): sorry for the meta (it is still stuck in my head ;))
Bernard Sfez / Tiki Specialist (Bsfez): Lu, yes yes
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): idea luci +1
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): Xavi: sound cracking again
luciash d' being (luci): sound fine for me
luciash d' being (luci): must by your connection Torsten
Torsten Fabricius (Torsten): ok
Jonny Bradley (jonnybradley): maybe we can do a session on that at fosdem?

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