Test wiki

posts: 179 France

Hi, I wish to propose here the creation of a mock test wiki, at the same level in tw.org as docs or mods.

The purpose is that by concentrating on a very limited subject, day after day, week after week, it will become clearer to us that certain features have to be created, or made easier, etc.

Furthermore, such a "front-window" wiki would help us to promote TW, by showing potential users that "TW can do that". It would also help us discover that this or that other wiki-oriented can do that and it is useful improving in that sense.

I have been thinking for a while about which subject would be best. I thought about botanics or fish species which would certainly be aesthetically rewarding. But getting deeper into such a scientific field would very soon require specialist notions, roughly speaking of the level of a university degree in those fields, which would leave most of us unable to participate (including me).

Nevertheless I keep the idea that a "good" CMS of the level of TW should be implementable in universities for reports of a scientific level.

I have thought about biographies of famous historical persons. But it seems to me the content would remain somewhat limited in terms of coding (adding date of birth, adding text about historical actions...)

So finally I settled on a wiki about cities. With a wiki on various cities of the world, you can make everybody participate, because everybody is able to understand and add data such as the population, the districts, the monuments and so on.

You can also try out interesting background features, such as keeping a page non published until the country of that city is not specified, sending email to an editor who is in charge of cities in that country, etc.

I wish not to be missunderstood. The purpose would not be to build a REAL encyclopedia about the cities of the world. About ten cities would be largely enough. The purpose would rather be to concentrate on a few pages, and DABBLE with the interesting content and code lines behind them. On the contrary, it is essential that such a wiki remain "inefficient", in order to preserve creativity in the improvement of TW.

I think this would greatly help us to discover that, for instance, photograph insertion is not easy enough here, chapters become so long that they could subsidiary pages there, and so on. I think a wiki about world cities would be representative of all encyclopedic subjects people might wish to publish thereafter.

My basic philosophy in this proposal is that, if the intention of contributors is just to produce plain wiki pages, then plain wiki CMS are sufficient, and there is no need for TW. TW on the contrary is well placed in competition for richer content, or more usability. Such as structures.

This is why I suggest this idea here in Development, because, although it is not exactly a precise feature to be coded, I really believe that trying out a test wiki would help us realize what is wishable, would at the same time trigger our imagination and help our common sense in terms of usability, through practice.

What do you think?

posts: 1584 Canada

Hi Arnaud!

I am worried that an artificial site will not live. Few people will have the motivation to keep it updated. I am all about eating our own DogFood. Can't we find a real use case where we can use it for real and test/show off the features?

Here is a test site:

What do you think?

M ;-)

posts: 1817 Catalan Countries
+1 to marclaporte's comments.

Arnaud, why not doing such job on http://doc.tikiwiki.org while documenting whatever features you want to talk about?

Books? then improve Structures documentation and show their great potential.

Images? test the new image annotation feature and document it using it...

Translation capabilites? Staging? produce some good tutorials like the ones linked from Tikiwiki 1.10...

This will cover showing the potential of TW, as well as helping improve our documentation (which still has important gaps..., like with Trackers, on of the most powerful features, and one of the more underdocumented for years...)


posts: 4644 Japan

I don't think 110.tikiwiki.org will work well as a demonstration site unless it can be kept up to date. I was frustrated trying to use the site because it's behind the current state of 1.10 beta. So either the site needs to be updated with SVN directly (SVN installed on its server or it moved to a server that has SVN) or else updated frequently with ftp, which is what I do with zukakakina.com. (I use TortoiseSVN on my laptop to keep current with SVN, then do an export and ftp the files (replace only changed files) to the server. This works pretty well.)

It is a drag to sort of artificially create content to flesh out a test/demonstration site. That's why Mike (mlpvolt) dumped and imported the themes.tw.o content to 110.tw.o. That fleshed out the site, but I thought also created confusion because the content doesn't match the purpose of the site. Also the registration method got changed a few times.

Because of these problems, I haven't found that site very useful, and in fact it probably has more negatives than positives as a showcase for Tiki 1.10.

doc.tw.o is using 1.10 beta now, so it could also showcase the new features. But if that aim conflicts with providing docs, which is hard enough to do when it's the sole function of the site, then I'd suggest upgrading info.tw.o to 1.10 or themes.tw.o, or both. Again, having SVN on the server seems to be the bottleneck. So I'd suggest using the SVN export-and-FTP method, which isn't as quick but at least works as long as somebody has the time to do the file transferring by hand.

-- Gary

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