This is a special webinar for Tiki's 10th birthday.


Recording:
http://recordings.blindsidenetworks.com/citadelrock/d559965849921585c1849af03b7a51638700d979-1350584890621/presentation/

  • 37m 20s: Intro of the participants
  • 50m 27s: interview with mose
    • How he joined the project
    • The IRC channel and "polom"
    • The 3 rules (57:45)
    • TikiFests (61:45)
    • Dogfood (64:35)
    • Reluctant leadership, or hyperactivity (66:20)
    • Multitiki and Intertiki (72:50)
    • Trackers (76:38)
    • mods and the all-in-one Model, community culture (82:50)
    • LGPL (99:40)
    • Current life, programming languages (106:00)
    • Operating systems (112:35)
    • His online history, PHP (113:45)
    • The future Internet (116:20)
      • Browsers (121:20)
    • Advice for Tiki, if any (126:40)
    • Community questions (136:00)
    • Currencies (alternative) (138:40)
    • Tiki Admin Group (143:15)
    • Code documentation (151:35)
    • The "mose" nickname (156:00)
    • Human languages, Chinese (158:15)

  • Break (162:15)
  • 2h 52m 40s: Community discussion (see topics below)


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When

Thursday, October 18, 2012 at 19:00:00 UTC time (click for time zone in your city)

Special guest: mose


Open Space and community discussion

  • Forthcoming Releases
    • 9.2 release imminent
    • Release coordinator for 10.x
    • Branch 10.x soon
    • Discussion about merging and backporting
  • Developers Round Table
    • New parser state
      • Nearing point of non-experimental
      • Concerns
      • Things we'd like to see
      • How does it work?
      • How do we integrate CKEditor and html to wysiwyg?
      • How can we ensure that it is tested properly?

Where

  • live.tiki.org via BigBlueButton
    • All you need is a web browser with Flash enabled
    • Make sure to have a headset (otherwise, we'll mute you to avoid background noises)
    • You'll also be able to phone in using Skype or a regular phone, but in this case, you won't have access to chatroom and presentation.

Who

Chat log

anonymous: hmm robertplummer: polom ;) Mose robertplummer: I heard "Everyone...." robertplummer: And jonny... "Hellloooo...." Jonny Bradley: i don't hear anyone else tho Guest: kstingel: polom Mose: heya Jonny Bradley: sometimes the reply is moloq Mose: forgot I had this open Guest: kstingel: why does it show me as Guest: ~ ? Jonny Bradley: becasue you didn't login to tiki.org before joining the room Guest: kstingel: ahh ... brb Jean-François B.: polom Jean-François B.: :) Karen Stingel: polom Karen Stingel: is 5 AM here ... not planning to talk much :) Bernard Sfez: Hi all... 21h00 here bringing coffee mug, chips, nutella Karen Stingel: coffee? ... oops .... brb :) Karen Stingel: yup Jean-François B.: yep Guest: Geoff: Hi - geoff here Bernard Sfez: Hi geoff to avoid being "guest" get out and login on tw site then you will join as user. Guest: Geoff: I thought I did that - oh well Jean-François B.: hi mini robert :) Bernard Sfez: Robert's baby ! :D Bernard Sfez: now start the sex show ? Guest: Greg Martin: How do I become not a guest? Bernard Sfez: hi Jean-Marc Libs: hi guys! Karen Stingel: can see and hear you Marc Bernard Sfez: (log from tw then you'll join as user) Geoff Brickell: so I'm not a guest now Bernard Sfez: y Jean-François B.: i just don't have a micro Jean-François B.: :) Jean-François B.: so it will be byhand Jean-François B.: :) Marc Laporte: we do! Marc Laporte: yonixxx :-) Karen Stingel: I'm mic-shy ... hi all from Brisbane Bernard Sfez: loud and clear Mose: there is only 2 guys with a webcam ? Bernard Sfez: no i have too but switched off Karen Stingel: my cam is sleeping Karen Stingel: I'm cam-shy too Mose: wake it up ! Karen Stingel: noooo Mose: I am as well Jean-François B.: Jean-François B. aka changi67 from Strasbourg (FRANCE) working at the Council of Europe. Member of Tiki TAG, and Member of Infrastructure Team (the guy at the back which make things working) Bernard Sfez: LOL Mose: show your nose ! Jean-Marc Libs: testers with access to windows: tough :) Bernard Sfez: but we can ear his keyboard typing ! Jean-François B.: what was the question Mose: where does changi come from ?? Jean-François B.: changi is the alsacien version of jean-francois Jean-François B.: :) Mose: so cryptic ;) Jean-François B.: Mose: notso Bernard Sfez: go jonny go go ! Karen Stingel: have mic ... but also having slepping ppl Karen Stingel: *sleeping Marc Laporte: Karen: what time for you? Karen Stingel: is 5:16 AM in Brisbane Mose: hey sylvie ! Bernard Sfez: Salut Sylvie Jean-Marc Libs: easier as in more procedural ? :) Jean-François B.: and the beautiful jison parser :) Marc Laporte: https://www.ohloh.net/p/tikiwiki/contributors Jean-Marc Libs: Salut Sylvie sylvie: hello - I have no speaker here Bernard Sfez: aoutch Guest: deeku: Hi Mose: it's 3am for me ! Greg Martin: Good morning karen! Guest: deeku: 1 am here Bernard Sfez: Mose u didn't change ! :) Greg Martin: Wow - great to have this wide-varied team sylvie: I have no microphone Greg Martin: type it sylvie: so hello guys Jean-Marc Libs: 3am is more late evening than early morning Bernard Sfez: LOL Karen Stingel: I keep trying to mute my keyboard, but I think Marc keeps turning off the mute Jean-Marc Libs: Presentation of Marc in case some people don't know Marc? Jean-Marc Libs: Hi mose Greg Martin: HI, mode! Greg Martin: mose! Karen Stingel: hi mose Daniel Gauthier: Hello all! Bernard Sfez: Hi Daniel Marc Laporte: a bit louder mose robertplummer: polom = knock knock? Karen Stingel: just lost sound Marc Marc Laporte: sound is ok here Bernard Sfez: sound ok here Karen Stingel: is back Jonny Bradley: sound good for me2 Bernard Sfez: polom polom is very french :) robertplummer: polom = ping? robertplummer: lol Bernard Sfez: sort Jonny Bradley: "hello" was originally an expression of surprise, or call for help robertplummer: no words... Bernard Sfez: someone could have look at it as a whistle Karen Stingel: "polom polom" is a quote from The Hobbit :) Karen Stingel: he was also in The Hobbit though ... I haven't read the other book Bernard Sfez: I kept only Mose image in the video dock and closed the other and my sound is really better. Marc Laporte: http://tiki.org/List+of+past+TikiFests Greg Martin: I love that Karen Stingel: opera doesn't like BBB ... switching browsers Bernard Sfez: it remind me some discussion with Damien and Toggg :D Greg Martin: maybe not a leader, but certainly displaying leadership Bernard Sfez: It is important to notice that back in time most of the CMS where english only, Mose and other manage to make it more international. robertplummer: Sound = steller! Mose: 對 Jonny Bradley: /me likes multitiki Guest: ricks99: better late than never Guest: ricks99: hi y'all (ricks99) Karen Stingel: hi Rick Jean-Marc Libs: dogfooding Bernard Sfez: Hi Rick Jean-Marc Libs: \o/ trackers \o/ Daniel Gauthier: Hello Mose. I'd like to thank you for your involment and determination into Tiki (Marc as well and other admins). I'm a newbie within the community and I can tell you that I have learned an awfull lot since I joined the community. Happy 10 years anniversary !!! Guest: deeku: +1 Guest: ricks99: +100 Guest: ricks99: Mose patiently answered many of my questions when I began robertplummer: Now with tracker query, 10000 = not to bad. Jonny Bradley: i have a 15,000 item tracker running very happily (in Japan) robertplummer: (render off, lol) Bernard Sfez: with a little imagination + pretty you can almost do anything Jean-Marc Libs: 25000 tracker items and counting Guest: ricks99: /me hopes everyone remembers to vote for tiki: http://info.tiki.org/article202-Vote-for-Tiki-Best-Free-CMS Daniel Gauthier: heu... sorry for my lack of knowledge: What are "mods"? Guest: ricks99: check out a timeline of the TIki releases: https://tiki.org/display182 Jonny Bradley: shame http://tiki.org/TikiFest+Timeline seems to be broken (just fixed it - r43530) Bernard Sfez: has voted :) Guest: ricks99: mods repository: http://mods.tiki.org/ Greg Martin: There is a spectrum of distro methods - for wordpress it is mostly in modules, we're near the other end. There is value in both Greg Martin: having the feature is a plus Greg Martin: IMO Bernard Sfez: Totally agree... extreme example is module/widget in Wordpress. Dozens do the same with some variations. Guest: ricks99: wonder... is the "strength" of tiki the community, as opposed to drupal who's strength (it could be argued) is more commercial? Jean-François B.: maye because it's too hard too maintain all feature, easier to maintain modules Karen Stingel: because their coders aren't good enough to get it right? Jean-François B.: s/too/to Guest: ricks99: http://tiki.org/FOSS+Web+Application+with+the+most+built-in+features Guest: ricks99: easier to "monotonize" code (the drupal way) Guest: Nelson: it is self selecting, if you don't want to work together you won't last long in tiki so ... Guest: Nelson: why LGPL is an interesting question also Jean-Marc Libs: That would require mods versioning sylvie: Nice to hear you guys - need to leave for 45mn Jonny Bradley: bye sylvie Guest: ricks99: if you're unfamiliar with GPL vs. LGPL licensing issues: http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/GPL_vs_LGPL robertplummer: I have worked on vairous products that "wrap" tiki. robertplummer: Without LGPL, it would be a no-go. Guest: Nelson: yeah, for the "wrappers" it would make a difference robertplummer: mit Jonny Bradley: we're "compatible" with MIT, aren't we? Jean-Marc Libs: It makes it easier than GPL to combine with other software. Guest: Nelson: as far as I know, LGPL explicitly allow applying the GPL to i tthough robertplummer: If we went with something more complex than mit, I would imagine it would be more difficult, but mit.... search and replace ;) Guest: Nelson: there is a legal problem in going to the MIT Guest: ricks99: @JonnyB: I believe Tiki is compatible with MIT. See discussion: http://tiki.org/License Guest: Nelson: (need to get "everyone" who contributed to agree" robertplummer: So each developer owns the code he commits? Jean-Marc Libs: Even the dead authors ? Bernard Sfez: :) Guest: Nelson: compatible yes, in the sense in that you can put MIT code in TIki code and vice versa robertplummer: have you tried OO php? Guest: ricks99: OO Chinese? ;-) Jean-Marc Libs: Traditional chinese would be procedural chines, or even state-machnie oriented chinese :) robertplummer: Lol, I came from C#... The microsoft Java. robertplummer: Have you tried YACC? robertplummer: ruby... love it. robertplummer: Very little experience, reminds me of json... mininalist. Jonny Bradley: anyone tried groovy on grails? robertplummer: nope robertplummer: you? Jonny Bradley: briefly Jean-Marc Libs: I think stae-machine programming is aonly taught to electronics engineers. Works for a lot of everyday-use devices, though. robertplummer: internet was written in english.... robertplummer: sad reality Jean-Marc Libs: Do they invent a chinese sign for the english terms? robertplummer: 汉字/漢字 mysql 汉字/漢字 robertplummer: lol Jonny Bradley: :D Guest: Nelson: well, need minimalist hardware to look at minimalist code? Jean-Marc Libs: So the OS choice makes you more of a stranger than the language ? :) robertplummer: me = Ubuntu 12.04 robertplummer: debian = minimalist robertplummer: gnome-shell? robertplummer: Spell it? Jean-Marc Libs: cinnamon robertplummer: Ah yes, favorit tea. Bernard Sfez: canelle Jean-Marc Libs: online robertplummer: First time I've seen it: http://imclement.com/cinnamon-1-3-for-lmde-and-debian/ robertplummer: Looks very user friendly. Bernard Sfez: 19.6kbp robertplummer: ur, uh.. developer friendly. Guest: Nelson: debian is minimalist OS yes, but I was referring to the hardware. Macs are minimalist hardware-wise lol. Guest: deeku: I was sysop of a BBS in India - with Waffle and then PowerBBS robertplummer: I was 7. robertplummer: WHen you got on the net. robertplummer: I think we are looking at it right now, no? robertplummer: (bb) Greg Martin: I used email & FTP while it was still DARPA Net in 1989 robertplummer: (bbb) Guest: deeku: Um, it was not the net then - the BBSs predated the net in terms of mass appeal Guest: ricks99: /me still has a FidoNet Account... I think :-) Greg Martin: FidoNet +1 Guest: deeku: Ah, FidoNet! Geoff Brickell: and before that the private global networks like GEIS Guest: deeku: CIX Guest: deeku: X.25 Bernard Sfez: Calvados ? robertplummer: I love javascript. robertplummer: I just wish it inherited, doh! Jean-François B.: and more and more with mobile devices Karen Stingel: *sigh* Windon't wants a kick up the ... robertplummer: humans are addicts of state of the art. Karen Stingel: I'll be back if I can it to reboot Greg Martin: this is an important point, mose Jean-Marc Libs: They only enforce it internally. It does not really impact the world Greg Martin: There is also a large group of folks who use what came with their PC Bernard Sfez: agree Jean-Marc Libs: They *are* being pushed out of the picture in a way that never worked against IE6. Jean-Marc Libs: Because developpers used to develop for IE6 on visualstudio. Now they develop for FF because of firebug Bernard Sfez: there are still specific market using XP and ie6 :) Jean-Marc Libs: and IE comes as an afterthought and it shows Rick: /me still likes IE. :) Jean-Marc Libs: :) robertplummer: Upgrade Upgrade Upgrade! Jean-Marc Libs: I know of others :) robertplummer: Go Go Go Go! Greg Martin: I use IE & Chrome. robertplummer: polom ;) Jean-Marc Libs: More jQuery than Javascript robertplummer: no, it was trimpath robertplummer: They did it barley. robertplummer: it is possible, it is just time and money. Greg Martin: could we use html5 sockets for live updates? Daniel Gauthier: Question: I saw in your previous version of UserPage at: http://tiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=UserPagemose that early on you were interrested in the "conceptualization of Intelligent communities". Your toughts on the evolution of markets please? Greg Martin: (right, like I have a clue how to do it :-) ) Guest: Nelson: I have a running nodejs server, with chat integrated into Tiki.... wil try and put it together to commit but not sure where the nodejs stuff will go) Greg Martin: Cool Greg Martin: you can run node.js on Openshift Marc Laporte: http://redistogo.com/ Greg Martin: https://openshift.redhat.com/community/get-started/node-js Marc Laporte: http://nodester.com/ Mose: http://www.ieml.org/spip.php?rubrique33&lang=fr/ Jean-Marc Libs: where is Xavi? :( Marc Laporte: http://cc.tiki.org Rick: lol Daniel Gauthier: Marc gave me the other day a "different" / "New" perspective and view about the role of the admin group. Please, Marc, can you share something on this? Bernard Sfez: ;) Jean-Marc Libs: When is the Taiwan Tkifest? :) Bernard Sfez: tikifest in Taiwan ? Jean-Marc Libs: We have code documentation? Jonny Bradley: i remember someone at a tikifest asking if code documentation was allowed in tiki Jean-Marc Libs: :) Greg Martin: Good seeing everyone. Tie for me to go or I'll never get to leave work. If anyone has a windows server instance and want to test the web deploy install, give me a shout on the mailing list Greg Martin: Thanks mode & marc Greg Martin: mose & marc Bernard Sfez: Balance ! Bernard Sfez: :D Rick: We'll need your real name to change from LGPL to a different license, eh? Jean-Marc Libs: If you hire him, he will give it to you for the money transfer :) Jean-François B.: need to go Jean-François B.: see ya Jean-Marc Libs: Tchö Jeff robertplummer: No mo/se? Marc Laporte: oz mose robertplummer: It isn't the language, it is what you plan to do with the it. robertplummer: With smart code. robertplummer: ? Bernard Sfez: Thank you Mose Rick: Thank you Mose, for all you've done for Tiki! Jean-Marc Libs: Nice to see you again \o/ Mose: same for me JM Jean-Marc Libs: pass by Strasbourg ! robertplummer: Thanks Mose, I like your view of the web. robertplummer: Very interesting and helpful. Mose: always a pleasure to share Jean-Marc Libs: And RMLL ? robertplummer: So you'll be at the next webinar, right? Marc Laporte: https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/ Bernard Sfez: me too ! Daniel Gauthier: I'm leaving, tks all. Daniel Gauthier: see you next time. robertplummer: Sounds good. Bernard Sfez: back Karen Stingel: I was out when you booted everyone I think Mose: ok, I gonna get off Mose: I need to finish soem stuff Karen Stingel: bye Mose Jonny Bradley: bye mose - thanks Mose: cya I will stick around on irc anyway Marc Laporte: Thanks mose!! Guest: Juanma: Thanks Mose Karen Stingel: apparently all the restarts have fixed my mic ... pity it doesn't show as working (visually) Torsten Fabricius: polom Torsten Fabricius: getting headset Jean-Marc Libs: Hi Torsten Karen Stingel: I'm assuming the cough was me, just before I muted me again Bernard Sfez: Hi all again Bernard Sfez: (bbb should store how i set panels) anonymous: Is it just me you guys are waiting on? anonymous: Is there anything else that needs to be discussed? Guest: Nelson: hi, Rick: http://tiki.org/ReleaseNotes9.2 robertplummer: ok, sorry, I was anon for a min. Rick: release, or another beta? robertplummer: no beta, just release. Bernard Sfez: I'm concerned about tracker field -> user preference email regression Rick: k robertplummer: (in the usual robert way) robertplummer: like a hail storm Bernard Sfez: :) Marc Laporte: Topic: Tiki10 Rick: screencast stuff is awesome Geoff Brickell: would be good to branch for 10 soon - so it gets more stable to test Torsten Fabricius: hi, listening now Marc Laporte: awesome! Torsten Fabricius: +1 Marc Laporte: +100! Bernard Sfez: tks Rick: sounds like a great release team robertplummer: +1 robertplummer: I need to step away for about 30 minutes guys, something came up. Jonny Bradley: np robert Torsten Fabricius: me aswell Jean-Marc Libs: There is still half an hour today here :) Guest: Nelson: Sounds good to me, pretty much all my new things will be for Tiki 11 so only fixes to Tiki 10 Torsten Fabricius: I am anyway working mostly with 10 already Jean-Marc Libs: I am not finished working on Tiki9, so I'll leave you guys start with Tiki10 without me Jean-Marc Libs: Also no refactoring. These are just as bad as new features Rick: need to be able to switch back and forth with no issues Rick: users want to go wiki <-> html <-> wysiwyg Torsten Fabricius: I tried Wiki <-> Wiki-Wysiwyg - find this a lot better! Marc Laporte: Discussion about merging and backporting Karen Stingel: wouldn't justify be handled with CSS and classes? Guest: luci: heya there, i totally forgot it is the webinar tonight ! Guest: luci: luci Jonny Bradley: hi luci :) Torsten Fabricius: hi luci Jonny Bradley: you're very quiet Nelson Bernard Sfez: better Marc Laporte: http://code.tiki.org/Commit+43530 Guest: luci: nice ! Karen Stingel: Who's in charge of the Themes? .. I found an omission in layout.css, I've reported it on Themes forum but I didn't know if I should fix it myself Guest: Nelson: Themes is Gary? Torsten Fabricius: Karen, I think the themes forum is not really active - an issue in itself Karen Stingel: just thought I should mention it if we're about to do a branch Marc Laporte: Karen: luci & Gary Rick: Rick has to sign off. Glad to hear from Mose.. and that the Tiki 10 release is in great hands Karen Stingel: is only that someone forgot the HTML5 section element :) Torsten Fabricius: we mabe should move the themes forum to tiki.org Guest: luci: oh, i missed Mose, :-/ Torsten Fabricius: karen, could you fix it? I bvelieve you did, but not yet commited Guest: luci: Karen: i will read it Marc Laporte: https://dev.tiki.org/Jison+Parser#Pre-dogfood_server Jonny Bradley: +1 Torsten Fabricius: +1 Torsten Fabricius: do I have voice? Torsten Fabricius: ... did anybody mention, that jison should NOT be activated sametime as WYSIWYG? Karen Stingel: fixed, and just commiting to trunk now Bernard Sfez: as i said i have some tw to update to 10 so i'll test too Marc Laporte: http://tiki.org/Consulting+Team luciash d' being: Karen: i do not see your post on themes.tiki.org; what is your nick there or could you paste a link ? luciash d' being: Torsten: yes, Robert did mention it I think... which is a bit unfortunate Marc Laporte: http://tiki.org/Lists+of+members+of+all+Teams Karen Stingel: http://tiki.org/tiki-view_forum_thread.php?comments_parentId=45348&forumId=14 Jean-Marc Libs: +1 Torsten Fabricius: http://demo.tiki.org/tiki_org_revamp/ luciash d' being: Hey, a rendering bug, the np ends up somehow out of the CODE plugin: http://code.tiki.org/Commit+43524 robertplummer: I'm back! Jonny Bradley: edgecase++ Torsten Fabricius: record: revamp.tiki.org -> Torsten Jean-Marc Libs: It's not edgecases, it's power ! Bernard Sfez: i hate line breaks Torsten Fabricius: i hate white pages Bernard Sfez: i prefer white page, than tracking why br or p are multiplying ! :D luciash d' being: i would need a presentation with examples to fully understand the benefits i fear, sorry Bernard Sfez: +1 Bernard Sfez: LOL Jean-Marc has his hand up a very long time ! luciash d' being: No conflict with Wysiwyg is crucial to have it on (the feature) Torsten Fabricius: Robert, do you talk about Jison with WYSIWYG/HTML or Jison with WYSIWYG/Wiki or both? Jonny Bradley: both Torsten Fabricius: thx Torsten Fabricius: I feel WYSIWYG/Wiki would be what I want to use in most projects Torsten Fabricius: Robert/Jonny - I have a new project, getting productive now ... people desperately want to have WYSIWYG <-> do you suggest to wait a while using only Wiki and then when you are at a certain point switch on Jison and WYSIWYG/Wiki ? Bernard Sfez: this is critical here too... Torsten Fabricius: do we call CKE/WYSIWYG/Wiki -> WIKIWYG? Guest: Nelson: yeah, that ajax call to display sounds really much more solid Bernard Sfez: JM close your mic ! Bernard Sfez: :D Torsten Fabricius: The nice thing with WIKIWYG is that you can simply switch to the Wiki code and back to WYSIWYG mode luciash d' being: Karen: thank you for the commit, although we do not use it anywhere in Tiki yet as far as i can grep luciash d' being: Karen: the HTML5 section element Torsten Fabricius: luci, but HTML is coming, so we should have it luciash d' being: Karen: good to be futureproof :) Torsten Fabricius: +1 luci and karen robertplummer: Class myclass extends JisonParser_Wiki_Handler {} Karen Stingel: yw luci ... I need it there for my ePub script :) Jonny Bradley: yay, go tiki! (go Robert!) Karen Stingel: I'm trying to write it to output ePub2-3 compatible files, so that's future-proofed too ... and when the readers catch up to ePub 3.0, we'll already be producing them Bernard Sfez: sound good Torsten Fabricius: I like the ideas of Robert, even not understanding every detail ... but the overall picture sounds really good Bernard Sfez: Karen mic is sleeping Karen Stingel: sorry, I missed that ...truck nearby robertplummer: Torsten, give me wiki, I'll give you html, or ckeditor, or pdf, or whatever. Jonny Bradley: hmmm, tikiCloud... Torsten Fabricius: ^u^ Karen Stingel: is on my wishlist Jonny Jean-Marc Libs: Robert: can I give you html and get wiki back ? Torsten Fabricius: good spot jean-marc Torsten Fabricius: I already copied html from a website into a CKE/Wiki, switched to Wiki sourcecode, did some edits and back to CKE -> save and a nice page Karen Stingel: is it (or will it be) possible to go from wiki-syntax to polyglot HTML? Torsten Fabricius: should be possible with Jison aswell and I believe it will work even better after times Jean-Marc Libs: Torsten: real users copy from Word, not websites, and then you are in trouble. :( robertplummer: jison will not answer html to wiki luciash d' being: why it cannot be both ways when it does already one ? Bernard Sfez: JM + 100 and another + 100% 99% of my user do copy/paste from word luciash d' being: sure, but at least partially it could (sure wiki syntax has difficult plugins - but we can do them as we do in Wysiwyg - just a pop-up editable box to edit the plugin params) Torsten Fabricius: copy/paste from word/openoffice is a MUST i believe Karen Stingel: can Tiki output OpenOffice Documents? Torsten Fabricius: would be on the wishlist BIGTIME! luciash d' being: Karen: nope, you would need another parser wiki to XML Torsten Fabricius: robert? Wiki -> ODT -> in lettre or A4? Geoff Brickell: yep Bernard Sfez: LOL Torsten Fabricius: loool Karen Stingel: Wiki -> ODT would kill need for Wiki -> ePub ... ePub compilers can import ODT files Bernard Sfez: good my mic was closed robertplummer: Torsten ODT could be very possible. luciash d' being: TinyMCE it was really good alternative luciash d' being: back in time when I tested Jean-Marc Libs: I wonder in which format lite-etherpad stores data? Jonny Bradley: brb (sry) Torsten Fabricius: bye jonny luciash d' being: I wonder how much effort would it take to create own Wikiwyg editor when we already have CodeMirror syntax highlighter + Jison Jonny Bradley: arb (am right back ;) Torsten Fabricius: welcome jonny Jonny Bradley: :D Torsten Fabricius: I would not be concerned to lose plugin code when exporting ODT and reimporting ti Wiki -> that would (in my mind) absolutely not necessary Karen Stingel: could WYMeditor (http://www.wymeditor.org/) be of any help at all? Torsten Fabricius: there simply are no wikiplugins in ODT Jonny Bradley: wymeditor looks good Bernard Sfez: still alive :) robertplummer: http://www.wymeditor.org/demo/ Bernard Sfez: couldn't hear you Robert Torsten Fabricius: looks like that we are going to make a record for the longest Tiki webinar? Karen Stingel: http://files.wymeditor.org/wymeditor/examples/ luciash d' being: hopefuly the record gets recorded properly Guest: Nelson: yay Torsten Fabricius: robert is so cool :-) robertplummer: lib/core/WikiPlugin/Negotiator/Wiki.php robertplummer: execute() robertplummer: $this->name robertplummer: $this->syntax robertplummer: $this->key robertplummer: zend_plugin_exists Jean-Marc Libs: /me will need a lot of documentation to figure out the new "simple" syntax robertplummer: http://qa.tiki.org/job/TikiDoc/javadoc/ Torsten Fabricius: dev.tiki.org/how+to+create+a+zend+plugin Torsten Fabricius: s.th. like that jean-marc? Torsten Fabricius: an autoupdated wikipage? robertplummer: http://dev.tiki.org/Create+a+Zend+Wiki+Plugin luciash d' being: aye, the error list is huge: http://qa.tiki.org/job/TikiDoc/javadoc/errors.html Jonny Bradley: +1 for phpstorm Karen Stingel: +10 robertplummer: lib/core robertplummer: lib/core/WikiPlugins/ Karen Stingel: should custom plugins be stored in a different folder? Geoff Brickell: got to call it a night now - bye Karen Stingel: nite Geoff robertplummer: $parser->negotiator->inject(new My_Plugin()); Karen Stingel: I meant a 'custom plugin' in terms of belonging to a specific custom theme Torsten Fabricius: a plugin belonging to a theme Karen? Jean-Marc Libs: you mean a different version of the pluin depending on the theme? Karen Stingel: graceful degrade from polyglot to html ... needed for ePub 2.0 readers (for the moment) Jean-Marc Libs: neither could I :-( Bernard Sfez: no no ! luciash d' being: good dog :) Torsten Fabricius: somehow I remember it worked then? Bernard Sfez: he kill the dog ? what ? luciash d' being: i guess he should give him some dogfood ;) Torsten Fabricius: web svn - he made it to login via Tiki Bernard Sfez: :) Torsten Fabricius: didn't changi give him the direction? Karen Stingel: current ePub compilers/checkers will strip out HTML5 elements ... a graceful degrade to DIV.class would be helpful Torsten Fabricius: ah marc ... keeping the main core maintained from the Tiki svn and same time use custoim code in it!? Karen Stingel: could also be used to help older browsers Torsten Fabricius: you do not hack the Tiki code, you hack besides the Tiki code robertplummer: lol Torsten Fabricius: yes? robertplummer: yes Guest: refizul: polom Karen Stingel: that's why I asked the original question about where custom plugins should go ... so that with upgrades, there's no risk of custom plugins being overwritten Jean-Marc Libs: Robert: can you answer Karen's question ? I'm not sure Guest: refizul: where is my nick? luciash d' being: Karen: we do not officialy care about "older browsers" (IE6 if you mean that specifically) since, Tiki 7.0 ? anonymous: I do not know, maybe you lost it on tiki.org? Jean-Marc Libs: Refizul: you need to ligon in Tiki, then click on the BBB link anonymous: uh me aswell robertplummer: lib/wiki-plugins/wikiplugin_*.php Jean-Marc Libs: /login robertplummer: lib/core/WikiPlugin/myplugin.php robertplummer: http://dev.tiki.org/Create+a+Zend+Wiki+Plugin Karen Stingel: also becomes a factor if I write plugin_fried_eggs and then in say, Tiki15 thaqt same plugin name is released as part of Tiki Jean-Marc Libs: Robert : and where is the corresponding template ? luciash d' being: btw, i usually put "custom" folder for custom stuff in tiki root Torsten Fabricius: luci, but you need several custom places, isn't it? for ex. themes, templates luciash d' being: but there is no infrastructure to support this yet (to override default plugins etc.) - it is just a routine luciash d' being: Torsten: yes Torsten Fabricius: +1 Torsten Fabricius: {FONT()} luciash d' being: would be better to support something like custom/themes/Foo/styles and custom/themes/Foo/templates and custom/wiki-plugins/ etc. Torsten Fabricius: luci, sounds similar like i organise file storingin drectory Karen Stingel: for themes ... there would be no real need to divert the path .... Frank Guthausen: re with login Torsten Fabricius: ah welcome frank Torsten Fabricius: (/me=fabricius) Frank Guthausen: very odd - chrome flash does not work for this here Karen Stingel: theme creators are already advised to create /style/newtheme etc Bernard Sfez: now i'm sleeping... luciash d' being: :) rrobertplummer: I'm out, baby calls. Torsten Fabricius: for me audio does not work and I am thrown out frequently ... doing audio with skype Torsten Fabricius: bye robert robertplummer: Jonny, hit the dev list, you want many people! Karen Stingel: I haven't had a problem with Chrome on Windows ... Opera crashed though Bernard Sfez: end december i'm planning to come to Paris :) Karen Stingel: so, was today literally Tiki's 10th birthday? luciash d' being: was u in Berlin Jonny ? Karen Stingel: or just October in general? luciash d' being: were, even :) Jonny Bradley: yes, Berlin until yesterday Guest: Nelson: cya. luciash d' being: yay, bye Torsten Fabricius: what day the TikiFest has been jonny? Bernard Sfez: bye Torsten Fabricius: bye everybody Bernard Sfez: irc Torsten Fabricius: glad to join this specific fest Jonny Bradley: bibi Guest: Nelson: bye Karen Stingel: bye


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